Ellen DeGeneres might be breaking a lot of hearts in 2020. As the comedian told The New York Times in a recent interview, she’s been weighing the idea of ending her daytime TV show—a move her wife, Portia de Rossi, encourages, and her brother, comedian Vance DeGeneres, has repeatedly talked her out of.

DeGeneres’s new stand-up special, Relatable, debuts on Netflix on December 18. It’s her first in 15 years. When asked why she’s returning to stand-up now, DeGeneres told the paper, “I wanted to show all of me. The talk show is me, but I’m also playing a character of a talk-show host. There’s a tiny, tiny bit of difference.” Added de Rossi, “She’s just a bit more complicated than she appears on the show. There’s more range of emotion.“

Though it may be somewhat limiting, DeGeneres’s perpetual cheer has turned her into a daytime legend. Even though she stopped dancing on her show a couple years ago, her audience remains electric and prone to the habit—and they still express surprise when they meet DeGeneres during her day-to-day life, only to discover she does not dance in her free time. “There’s been times someone wants a picture, and while I’m doing a selfie, they’re like: ‘You’re not dancing!’” DeGeneres said. “Of course I’m not dancing. I’m walking down the street.”

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